Monthly Archives: April 2019

Episode 6: Quitting (with guest Pam Houston)



“Quitter” is sometimes an insult, but in this episode we explore how quitting can be underrated. Anyone involved in a creative project has likely wondered at some point if they should suck it up and continue the fight or move on. We’ll also discuss the dangers of the sunk cost fallacy, insights from Clue, the value of a coin toss, and of course, obeying the emerging form. Then, we interview author and teacher Pam Houston, and ask her these two questions: 1) How do you know it’s time to quit? and 2) How do you distinguish between “this is hard but insights will come” from “this is hard and it can’t work”?

Episode Notes

Pam Houston

Deep Creek, by Pam Houston

Rosemerry’s poem about Clue

Christie’s posts at The Last Word on Nothing

Craig Childs on The Last Word on Nothing blog

Hannah Moshontz de la Rocha, a psychologist who studies quitting

Northwestern University study on happiness and discarding unrealistic goals

New York Times article on knowing when it is time to quit

Jessica Abel on knowing when it is time to quit


Episode 5: Feeback (with guest Andrea Jones-Rooy)



Who needs an editor? Everyone. In this episode, we discuss feedback: who to ask, how to ask them, and how to respond to what they say. Also important: at what point in a project do you ask for feedback? We’ll tackle all these questions, plus we’ll talk about the sinking of the Titanic, how praise can both help and hinder you, eating fire, and as, always, after our discussion we’ll play our game of two questions. Our guest this episode is Andrea Jones-Rooy, a circus performer and stand up comedienne (among other talents). Our questions: 1) How do you get feedback that’s useful? 2) How do you balance being vulnerable and receptive to feedback with being sure of yourself?

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Episode Notes

Andrea Jones-Rooy, Social Scientist, Circus Performer and Comedienne

Catherine Saint Louis, Podcast Editor

Rosemerry’s poem about the musicians on the Titanic

Article and video about Andrea Jones-Rooy in the New York Post